What's the difference between kendo and sport?
January 5th, 2009
If I compare kendo to, say, rugby, I can see more similarities than differences.
Both aim to cultivate character. Both require hours of dedicated training outside the dojo/pitch. Both require mental intuition and foster a 'fight on' spirit. Both have World and Regional competitions.
The main difference I can see is that kendo is supposed to have a deeper philosophy, but sport science is not so far behind behind anymore.
Is it a question simply of etiquette?
What about Judo? Well of course Judo isnt completely a sport
(Theres kata) either but just mentioning it. Also i think Brazillian Ju Jutsu could be one, wasn't hero gracie in his late 60s and still beating people.
go chiba!
I am asking what's the difference between a sport and a martial art?
Although I have some sympathy with your responses, I'm basically not convinced.
Rugby played in schools is also designed to improve yourself and cultivate values. Competition is only part of that experience - and needed because to play rugby you usually need 30 people, whereas in kendo you need only two.
Kendo kata, well... according to the IKF, no-one practices it and they have developed a new set with keiko in mind.
Alphons, you've obviously never fought for a ball with a 50 year old rugby veteran! These guys understand seme, believe me.
OK, I admit that 80 year olds don't play rugby anymore, but in other sports where technique/mental attributes are more important than physicality you still find seniors playing.
I am not trying to pick a fight, but trying to look at this question as rigorously as possible.
Thanks
mar·tial adj.
Of, relating to, or suggestive of war.
Relating to or connected with the armed forces or the profession of arms.
Characteristic of or befitting a warrior.
Martial arts were originally taught to be used in battle, to eventually kill. The sense of that intensity and dire feeling is translated through competition. Sports do share some characteristics, and I would say sports like football and rugby probably branched off from some life or death aspect of european culture. It's fun (if you know how to play) and it does better one's self. I disagree that only a martial art can better a person, while sports cannot. Many people in professional sports came from places where it would have been easier to do something much less productive and more life threatening than playing a specific sport. I don't think one or the other is closer to heaven. I see a difference in the cultural significance of a sport and a martial art (though you'd swear that football was a national religion in the US), they both try to cultivate a person and a team so that they will develop a sense of comradarie.
The real and authentic budos aren't about scoring points...
so sorry :)
In another board that I frequent I was kinda known as the "threadkiller" because I would end up posting a 3 or 4 page post that would just make people's eye's glaze over. Course it was one of those boards where most people had the attention span of a large mushroom...
Must be because I'm a graduate student...I think they train us to be long-winded and loudmouthed
I am asking what's the difference between a sport and a martial art?
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Thanks
1. Rei ho
2. Zan-shin
3. The search for continuing improvement
and in some cases the cost....
I am also a rally navigator.
We often get into conversations about concentration and awareness and how much both activities have in common.
Reading opponents body language = reading road conditions
Commitment to an attack = taking blind corners and crests
Seeing the opportunity to attack = listening to me (navigator),
Etc.
The other thing kendo and motor sports have in common is that the team is more of a support structure, but when you are competing you are out there alone.
Stop hating on sports, people.
Pan-chan trains with serious people in a serious dojo - you don't.
BS post? How about you try to debunk what I've said instead?
You think I don't train seriously because my dojo is the forest? Ignorance is bliss. You should read about the history of martial arts before opening your mouth...
Maybe the main difference is that the etiquette is a preparation for the meditative aspects of kendo...?
If I compare kendo to, say, rugby, I can see more similarities than differences.
Both aim to cultivate character. Both require hours of dedicated training outside the dojo/pitch. Both require mental intuition and foster a 'fight on' spirit. Both have World and Regional competitions.
The main difference I can see is that kendo is supposed to have a deeper philosophy, but sport science is not so far behind behind anymore.
Is it a question simply of etiquette?
I myself play soccer and do kendo and too have asked myself this question, I also found that there is really not much difference regarding cultivation of character. Idd every sport shall mold the mind because of it's practice like kendo does. The difference I belive lies in what are the means and what are the goals.
Let's start with soccer because that is easiest to follow. It requires training, through that training we obtain physical strenght and speed and we learn how to act in different situations on the field. We learn how to work in a team, to survey a situation in the blink of an eye, not to doubt to much what we are doing and not to be afraid etc. In other words we mold our mind to play soccer. But these are the means to win a competition, the end is to win a match.
In kendo it kinda works the other way around , as we train we also enhance ourselves physicly and mentally to be more succesfull in kendo and competition. The mental part comes with practice (as does the physical) but the end in this case is forging your mind through practice and competing.
but your original post was nonsense
but differences????
Check in the dictionary and you will find that "Play" also can represent:
1- to be involved in a game, to compete against sb in a game
2- to perform sth (like music instrument) - art
3- act, perform, to act the role of sb (like and actor in a movie)
4- to deal with a situtation in the way mentioned
Above examples fit nicely for many people that practice Kendo, and I am not underestimating them.
As you can see the word "play" doens't mean just do sth for fun, or even sexual entertainment purposes!
MG
You think I don't train seriously because my dojo is the forest? Ignorance is bliss. You should read about the history of martial arts before opening your mouth...No, I think you're here only to piss people off. Now look up "Plonk file".
Same thing with judo, aikido, karate-do taekwondo, etc. The main objective of these disciplines isn't to kill, as opposed to jujutsu, ninjutsu, etc.
The 'do' disciplines have more in common with sports than the 'jutsu' disciplines. I would say that the 'jutsu' are pure martial arts with no sports references at all. The objective is to 'kill', a notion not included in any sport.
I dunno... there have been numerous times when I have been training in kendo at different kendo dojos and instructors who have yelled at me during keiko about life and death issues...
I remember distinctly being yelled at for not striking to kill, showing weakness to my enemy, that the "bouncy tap" was not a killing strike, or how a strike without zanshin was nothing.
Course, other instructors, and even the same instructors have focused more on scoring points and the appropriate "appeal" for a point scoring strike on different days.
For me, I think it has something to do with "locking" into a certain viewpoint. I fear that not being sufficiently flexible in my definitions and not having a tolerant, open-mind will eventually bind me and defeat me. As I get older I find that mindset is getting much harder to maintain...
Martial Arts, aim is to better yourself.
(Theres kata) either but just mentioning it. Also i think Brazillian Ju Jutsu could be one, wasn't hero gracie in his late 60s and still beating people.
While I was living in Japan, my dojo's head sensei was in his late 60's ~ early 70's and he could beat anyone there, including all of our other sensei who happened to be 30~40 year old US marines. I think it has to do with knowing that you have all those years of experience and having that resolve that you are always looking for ways to improve yourself and when you live and breathe that kind of mentality every day of your life, it shows. My sensei had that aura about him and as such, whenever he spoke (he was soft-spoken to begin with) everybody would immediately be quiet and give him their undivided attention. That and he's one of the nicest and warmest people you'll ever meet so that plus all the above, it would be impossible not to give him due respect.
Anyway, getting back to the original question. Judo is part spot and part martial art but it really depends on how you look at it. You could practice judo purely as a martial art and not care about winning or loosing in tournaments as long as you improve yoruself. Alternatively you could practice it with the goal of entering many tournaments and winning as often as possible, thus doing judo purely as a sport. Maybe the same could be said about other hand to hand martial arts such as tae kwon do, karate, or jujitsu.
i think of it as a real sword fight , therefore i look at a shinai as if it was a katana sword. kendo is budo without the sport part.
And I think you should look further than kendo. I've done some shiaïs with some kendokas and they said many things to me like: 'you can't do that' or 'that's cheating'. In a real battle, you can do anything.
I think that anything with the word DO has been modernized and transformed from their original roots. For example, the difference between kendo and kenjutsu is that in kendo, you don't touch to the concepts of life and death. In kenjustsu, you strike to 'kill'. I know that you don't go aroung fighting with swords, but the idea is still there.
Same thing with judo, aikido, karate-do taekwondo, etc. The main objective of these disciplines isn't to kill, as opposed to jujutsu, ninjutsu, etc.
The 'do' disciplines have more in common with sports than the 'jutsu' disciplines. I would say that the 'jutsu' are pure martial arts with no sports references at all. The objective is to 'kill', a notion not included in any sport.
I think that the most important thing that separates sports from martial arts is the notion of life and death. This is why IMO, the 'do' disciplines are more sports than martial arts.
It looks as though your all trying to find the similarities rather then what makes it different.
The only one similarity that I can possibly think of between sport and kendo is that they both require skill and physical ability.
*points back 2 pages to chibas post*
It depends on how you train, what you train for and what you get out of it.
history shows kendo was not a sport
This topic was discussed in my kendo club's yahoo groups, and I really liked this post by one of our members, so I'll share it:
I believe Kendo is in fact not a sport. It's a martial art. the training is not only about physical exercise but also it has got mental aspects. in the beginning, kendo training is focused on physical aspects and later on with bogou, mental strength is trained.
In my opinion, Kendo is a competitive martial art (doesn't matter whether it has a name tag, sport club or social club)
But not like other sports, we learn how to be humble and have modesty. When you win a match, you don't shout for a joy. you learn how to control your feelings. Even if a referee makes a wrong judgement that makes you lose a chance to win the competition, you accept it. Even you win others, you
still show respect. You learn to be humble. These things are not going to change. It's a martial art, I believe. Desire to be strong will lead to a better kendo player not only
physically but also mentally.
Think again then. I'm here to discuss about martial arts. I'm truly sorry for you if your definition of martial arts is striclty given by kendo.
And why do you feel offended by my words? I come here in peace and if I see misconceptions, I try to clarify them.
I will ask you a question. Have you ever been in a shiaï where anything is permitted? Or all of your martial experiences are within your own dojo?
Have you ever stopped and think how actually usefull what you learn in kendo is in a real fight from a school you don't know anything about?
Have you ever been in a fight that wasn't shinaï vs shinaï or bokken vs bokken? How would you react if you had to defend yourself versus a bokken with only a tanto? Have you ever been in a fight against 2 people or more?
I want to hear about your background and I want you to lower your guard because I have nothing to prove and I'm not here to make enemies. I just want to talk with other budokas.
Maybe not what you're doing, but that's not wrong.
MG
:D i might be a puritan but that's how i feel about it, i'm ok with people that do it for health, leisure or to socialise after practice but please don't use the verb to play.
But you see, the problem is that any modern martial art is too restrictive and most of them are about competition and scoring points. That transformation took a lot of the true essence of the old ways.
Kendo isn't about life and death at all. If it was, then why is it that it's not entirely freestyle? You can't do this or that and that's restrictive. In kendo, you can't grab the opponent's shinaï, you can't kick, punch, elbow, do projections, trip, etc.
Basically, kendo is practiced within certain rules that in no way simulate real life situations.
I think that if there were no rules applied, then it'd make training in a specific martial art kinda irrelevant wouldnt it?
Bingo! That's exactly the true essence of budo. A style is restrictive, so why not study the martial arts as a whole, with no rules and only efficiency? Why should you care about names and rules. You should only care about your own personnal evolution wihtout any restraint.
Why is it not possible to look at kendo as both a sport and a martial art? To force kendo into either one classification or the other seems to me to lose something important on either side of the coin.
I have participated in martial arts which have advertised themselves as a "true martial art" "uncorrupted" by the "sports" aspect, where we were supposed to learn "lethal techniques impossible to do in a tournament situation" as they were, obviously lethal. This is a long rant between my friends who have since left that sort of training, but to suffice to say we all learned hundreds of wrist techniques, throws, punches, how to use a gym towel to kill someone more than several different ways, and with 'elan' to boot etc etc. But at the end of the day, without a safe competative element, we had no way of objectively assessing whether our knowledge base was applicable to a dynamic situation. Sure we had exercises that approximated a unscripted situtuation, but precisely because we had 'lethal' unlimited techniques in order to keep everyone save we moved at a "safe" speed (read = slow).
So these two things: keeping slow to deal with a multitude of "lethal techniques", and a lack of an objective competative element, I found, did two things. Comparatively to arts which did have a competative yet 'restricted' curriculum, we were painfully slow. None of us had any sort of reaction time anywhere close to the speed of a so called 'real fight'. In addition, because we had no way of assessing out skill independently, it became a situation where it became "do it this way because I said so and I am [insert high dan rank here] ", or worse, because that person was more 'popular'. There were even rumors (and sometimes bare fact) of lower ranking belts 'sleeping' their way to the top to gain rank as it were. And this was a "pure" "martial art" uncorrupted by sport and teaching true "budo". Many of us felt that the philosophy expounded by some individuals was deeply hypocritical.
My first day of kendo was a revelation. There was no "safe" speed. Anything less than "full" speed was incorrect. Things moved so fast in kendo that I realized that my body, mind and eye didn't even preceive that speed. It made me realize that the human body was capable of speeds that were incomprehensible to me, and that my training in my other martial art was essentially useless. If someone came and attacked at that speed with or without an impliment, I would be dead.
Training and participating in the 'corruptable' competition made me realize two other things. One was that most likely the shinpan at your court don't know you, and don't care who wins or loses. And there are three of them, and you have to convince at least two before you get a point. There really isn't a way to "curry favor" or play a political game like offering 'favors' to advance. If there is, I imagine its much harder to do.
Second, in the court or in jigeiko, if you want to know if something works, you try it. If it doesn't work, you don't get the point or you get beaten.
In some ways, shiai is liberating. I walk in the court with my skill set and my training, facing someone I most likely do not know, and what happens in the court is up to me. Win or lose, shiai is a test of my will and my skill, and I am for that 3 or 4 minutes alone (or if there is encho maybe 10 minutes if I'm really unlucky). There is no point in shiai where the match gets stopped and my opponent says (in that really annoying whining voice) "I don't think thats a valid point because of (obscure and questionable detail 1), (obscure and questionable detail 2) and because I am [insert higher rank number] than you, and along with seven other blackbelts in our club don't like you anyways".
Sure Kendo appears to be a sport because of shiai, of sometimes less than sportsmanlike conduct, of the points and of the restricted target areas. But I tend to think that shiai is one way that kendo is kept relatively 'objective'.
Yet much of the strategy used in kendo is deeply philosophical. I suppose thats where kendo is still a "martial art". I suppose that one can become a great shiai player without understanding the philosophical aspects of kendo. I imagine that would be very difficult to do, since the philosophy behind kendo is also the strategy to do great kendo. Whether or not an individual chooses to apply kendo strategy to life in general is really up to that person, but that road is certainly available. Very few "sports" that I can think of have a philosophy that can be generalized to a broader life view, although I've definately seen "the philosophy of golf" and other such books in the bargain bin of the local book store.
Perhaps we have these discussions precisely because Kendo is flexible enough to allow an individual to adopt either position. A kendoist could say, "this is not a sword, but a stick, and I don't really care about all this eastern philosophical mumbo jumbo" and go after as many points as possible. Kendoist B could say, "this is not a stick, but a sword, this is a part of my soul and I don't really care about all these points" and use it to understand things about themselves. For Kendoist A, kendo is a sport. For Kendoist B, kendo is a martial art.
The real and authentic budos aren't about scoring points...
I train at a Kendo dojo which does not put any emphasis on scoring points. We learn cuts to designated targets. For sure, there are rules applied to our training. But we do not train in a competition sense, rather we train to better ourselves and our skill in our chosen activity, in this case Kendo.
I think that if there were no rules applied, then it'd make training in a specific martial art kinda irrelevant wouldnt it?
This topic was discussed in my kendo club's yahoo groups, and I really liked this post by one of our members, so I'll share it:
I believe Kendo is in fact not a sport. It's a martial art. the training is not only about physical exercise but also it has got mental aspects. in the beginning, kendo training is focused on physical aspects and later on with bogou, mental strength is trained.
In my opinion, Kendo is a competitive martial art (doesn't matter whether it has a name tag, sport club or social club)
But not like other sports, we learn how to be humble and have modesty. When you win a match, you don't shout for a joy. you learn how to control your feelings. Even if a referee makes a wrong judgement that makes you lose a chance to win the competition, you accept it. Even you win others, you
still show respect. You learn to be humble. These things are not going to change. It's a martial art, I believe. Desire to be strong will lead to a better kendo player not only
physically but also mentally.
I have strong concerns when people try to make some unique concepts for Kendo, or more, for Japanese culture.
Obviously Kendo is sports, as any kind of sports make your body and mind stronger, and in opposition to someone that posted before, it's not only kendo or martial arts that gives to you strenght to face the problems you find in your life.
Also in mental aspects, archery, shooting or even boxing or other fithting activies can be tougher.
Concerning the etiquette, doens't mean other sports cannot do the same. Look at sumo, or better, look at some western sports like tennis or golf, still you can find many people (agree that is not all) behaving in a modest way, maybe better than you're used to see in kendo world.
Add to the fact that these people don't have any sensei or senpai teaching these "concepts" on how they have to behave when winning or losing in a competition.
So, there is no difference between sports and kendo.
The only difference is in your own mind, when you set up the goals to be achieved, how you see such activities. You can see as a way to improve yourself internally, or just a competition.
The only difference is that you can find more people aiming and giving priorities for the first purpose than other sports.
MAD GOD
have you ever heard of the 'way of a tennis racket?' or 'the way of the soccerball?'
it implies hey we used to kill people with it, now its changed into this.
hmm It seems that what makes kendo unique today is where it originally came from, a martial art and it was once a way of life.
today, it doesnt mean you can't use it for other purposes eg. fitness, sport, stress relief, mental, spiritual, for fun or just learning to use a sword etc etc .
mr joe over there uses it for works stress relief and fitness
miss maderson thinks its a martial arts side and likes the discipline
mr andrews likes it because its fun and he wants to compete
mr mokuso thinks he is a ronin and likes to attack people legally
so it all comes down to an indivduals point of view and what they learn it for, so nobody will ever agree with each other.
There is nothing wrong for people that practice it for health or leisure, or just only to drink a nice cold beer at 2nd dojo.
Maybe not what you're doing, but that's not wrong.
MG
I sport (rugby, soccer, swimming, whatever) you practice to be good in competitions (to win). So it is like
practice->winning competitions
In Kendo, you practice AND take part in competitions to strive for a strong and correct Kendo and improve your mind and body.
practice+competing->improving oneself
Also in Kendo you practice many things, which are not related to competing i.e. Kendo kata.
But I would say Kendo basicaly is a sport (but NOT ONLY a sport, it is also Martial Art and Budo)
What do you guys think?
If you look at it from a cultural stand point, kendo and sports are really very different things. Kendo has evolved, if you will, from some very old traditions and a culture vastly different from the west. From this evolution, kendo has come to resemble the things we know as sports, but it's origins alone set it apart. The background in war is a big factor, and even though one could argue that a soccer riot is a war of sorts, western sports did not evolve from actually killing people. In my opinion the resemblance is just an illusion, caused by similar benefits to practicing both activities.
Pan-chan trains with serious people in a serious dojo - you don't.
I have never seen a sport where people over 60 can beat and stare down opponents many years their junior. I have also never seen a sport where people up to eighty years can still participate and practice just like younger people. Kendo is not a sport it is a martial art. There's more between heaven and earth than sport and Kendo is nearer to heaven (at least that what most Kenshi try to accomplish).
Regards,
Alphons
1- to be involved in a game, to compete against sb in a game
2- to perform sth (like music instrument) - art
3- act, perform, to act the role of sb (like and actor in a movie)
4- to deal with a situtation in the way mentioned
Above examples fit nicely for many people that practice Kendo, and I am not underestimating them.
As you can see the word "play" doens't mean just do sth for fun, or even sexual entertainment purposes!
MG
This has made me more tolerant thank you.
Maybe not what you're doing, but that's not wrong.
MG
In fact, that's what most of average people is doing.
It's unbelievable they would keep practicing if they were not enjoying and having fun.
Broken bones, bloody practices, tough exercises.... people shouting loudly at them... it's pathetic believe normal people would have interested to do something like it and keep practicing for years.
But it's OK they "pretend" to do a hard "martial art" which the only damage they will have is some skin injuries because of holding wrongly the shinai or doing wrong fumikomis...! Or the worse, some accidental "tsuki mark" in their throat.
MG
If the snake doesn't eat, it dies.
If you think about failure in martial arts, you will lose.
If you think about the possibility of dying from being struck by a bamboo stick while wearing protective plastic and metal armor, you're insane.
The difference is in your mind. It's attitude. You see, Martial art is always about live and die. It does not matter if you are going to die or not. If you look at a shinai and think "that's just a bamboo stick", you're doing a sport. No problem. But martial art is not only for dojo trainning. It's for life. Now it may be a bamboo stick, but tomorrow it could be a terminal disease, a close relative death, or you losing your job. Those are strikes that will cut you as hard as a blade. The martial art will provide the right attitute to face the problems.
If the snake doesn't eat, it dies.
If you think about failure in martial arts, you will lose.
If you think about the possibility of dying from being struck by a bamboo stick while wearing protective plastic and metal armor, you're insane.
also mokuso, that last line in your post was a summary of everything in life. its what it all boils down to. absolutely brilliant!
i agree with mokuso. thats my input.
Kendo isn't about life and death at all. If it was, then why is it that it's not entirely freestyle? You can't do this or that and that's restrictive. In kendo, you can't grab the opponent's shinaï, you can't kick, punch, elbow, do projections, trip, etc.
Basically, kendo is practiced within certain rules that in no way simulate real life situations.
I think you really should at least do some reading on Kendo before you make such assumptions. A very minute portion of KENDO revolves around points and scoring, that's why many kenshi divide it into two groups often; Shiai, and kendo.
I know many humble people, and they don't practice kendo.
And many people that practice kendo who are not humble neither modest.
MG
A long time ago a friend told me:
"If a snake attacks a rat and fail, it will only lose its lunch. But if a monkey jumps to another tree and fails it will lose its life."
The monkey is doing martial art.
When a soccer player kicks a ball he will not consider the possibility of die in the next move. The martial artist will.
So, how deep are you involved with the art?
This topic was discussed in my kendo club's yahoo groups, and I really liked this post by one of our members, so I'll share it:
I believe Kendo is in fact not a sport. It's a martial art. the training is not only about physical exercise but also it has got mental aspects. in the beginning, kendo training is focused on physical aspects and later on with bogou, mental strength is trained.
In my opinion, Kendo is a competitive martial art (doesn't matter whether it has a name tag, sport club or social club)
But not like other sports, we learn how to be humble and have modesty. When you win a match, you don't shout for a joy. you learn how to control your feelings. Even if a referee makes a wrong judgement that makes you lose a chance to win the competition, you accept it. Even you win others, you
still show respect. You learn to be humble. These things are not going to change. It's a martial art, I believe. Desire to be strong will lead to a better kendo player not only
physically but also mentally.
Sports also have a mental side to it, but eh humbleness in Kendo is definitely not something I've encountered in any sport I've ever played! Nice work Yo...osh!
You can find it in boxing, and still it's a sports.
Training and participating in the 'corruptable' competition made me realize two other things. One was that most likely the shinpan at your court don't know you, and don't care who wins or loses. And there are three of them, and you have to convince at least two before you get a point. There really isn't a way to "curry favor" or play a political game like offering 'favors' to advance. If there is, I imagine its much harder to do..
Gymnastics there are more than 2 judges. Or fencing, it's automatically.
Or just see golf, there is no need of judges. And they are sports.
In some ways, shiai is liberating. I walk in the court with my skill set and my training, facing someone I most likely do not know, and what happens in the court is up to me. Win or lose, shiai is a test of my will and my skill, and I am for that 3 or 4 minutes alone (or if there is encho maybe 10 minutes if I'm really unlucky). There is no point in shiai where the match gets stopped and my opponent says (in that really annoying whining voice) "I don't think thats a valid point because of (obscure and questionable detail 1), (obscure and questionable detail 2) and because I am [insert higher rank number] than you, and along with seven other blackbelts in our club don't like you anyways"..
You can find them in other kind of sports also.
Yet much of the strategy used in kendo is deeply philosophical. I suppose thats where kendo is still a "martial art". I suppose that one can become a great shiai player without understanding the philosophical aspects of kendo. I imagine that would be very difficult to do, since the philosophy behind kendo is also the strategy to do great kendo. Whether or not an individual chooses to apply kendo strategy to life in general is really up to that person, but that road is certainly available. Very few "sports" that I can think of have a philosophy that can be generalized to a broader life view, although I've definately seen "the philosophy of golf" and other such books in the bargain bin of the local book store..
Golf is a good example, also think about the philosophy enclosed in archaery, sumo, judo, gymnastics... even baseball.
Perhaps we have these discussions precisely because Kendo is flexible enough to allow an individual to adopt either position. A kendoist could say, "this is not a sword, but a stick, and I don't really care about all this eastern philosophical mumbo jumbo" and go after as many points as possible. Kendoist B could say, "this is not a stick, but a sword, this is a part of my soul and I don't really care about all these points" and use it to understand things about themselves. For Kendoist A, kendo is a sport. For Kendoist B, kendo is a martial art.
As said before, it will depend on what the guy wants to achieve.
It's a question of mind. Your own mind setting.
MAD GOD
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